The Beaufort Sea is choked with 4/5 year old ice. Reggie will need a very large blowtorch this summer.
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I couldn’t possibly comment on the size of Reggies blowtorch, but “choked” isn’t really an accurate description of the current state of the ice in Beaufort Sea is it?
http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2014/03/the-truth-about-arctic-sea-ice-thickness/
Are you as concerned with Antarctic sea ice as you are Arctic? If not, why?
If the Antarctic sea Ice continues growing at the rate it has been then Drake Passage will become ice clogged and that will divert the west wind drift up the coast of South America causing perpetual La Ninas!
Thus ends the Holocene.
Very interesting idea Gail. If that IS the mechanism that causes interglacials to end so suddenly, there might be a chance we could exert some control over it.
@Gail I agree, uninterrupted La Nina’s could be the mechanism to end the Holocene.
For while, the old pattern of *no more than 4 years* without El Nino’s (since 1950’s) is about to be broken for the first time if we don’t have an El Nino in 2014.
The ENSO region is colder than in 2013,
http://stateoftheocean.osmc.noaa.gov/sur/images/nino34_short.gif
and this picture by Bob Tisdale shows the great El Nino-La Nina oscillation of 1997-2001
http://oi53.tinypic.com/etb58j.jpg
with anomaly patterns very different from the present one.
There was no important “forcing” from the Antarctica icecap in 1997-2001 episode as we see now.
People usually think about a new glaciation in terms of advancing glaciers in Canada and Russia, but few are paying attention to the “advancement” of the Antarctic glaciers in recent years, and the important implications they’re already having on world’s climate.
The thread where the animation of the 1997-2001 ENSO oscillation came from,
http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2011/07/26/enso-indices-do-not-represent-the-process-of-enso-or-its-impact-on-global-temperature/
That’s the output of a computer model Steve, yet you choose to believe it? What have you got against PIOMAS for example?
What kind of total scumbag goes around on Twitter claiming that I am censoring his comments? You.
Wasen’t snow white a fairy.. tail?
The ice extent on the Arctic is close to normal- for this time of the year- and, to be sure, you can check the DMI data
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/plots/icecover/icecover_current_new.png
and
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/plots/icecover/icecover_current.png
and NORSEX
http://arctic-roos.org/observations/satellite-data/sea-ice/observation_images/ssmi1_ice_ext.png
The extent is slightly below 2013 and 2012, but considerably higher than the low levels of 2007 and 2011.
2012, during the winter, is the best result since 2005 (possibly 2001, not sure) despite the problems during the summer, because IMO the ice was already recovering back then with close to average values around March-April since 2008.
Some parts of the glacier at N. Canada are already a little above average, especially between Canada and Greenland. Ocean anomalies have been negative in that region since December, but the trend intensified after February.
I estimate the ice extent to be now nearly 500,000 km2 below average and, with good winds and solar radiations favoring us, it could follow a similar path as in 2012 in the next few weeks and be above average at the beginning of April.
about ocean anomalies:
http://weather.unisys.com/surface/sst_anom.gif
A total scumbag? Moi? I’m as pure as the driven snow Steve. With pretty pink lips!
I don’t know about Colorado, but where I hail from that’s considered a most impolite way to speak to a lady. Why don’t you see if you can dig my three comments out of your spam folder, where one can only assume they must have somehow inadvertently ended up.
Then if you get down on your bended knee, gently kiss my hand, and apologise profusely we’ll say no more about it!
A scumbag lady that’s for sure,
Miss Snow White has pretty pink lips like these??
http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/swine/yorkshire/
One down at long last. Only three to go. Of my comments that is, not my questions. There’s a total of 11 now:
http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2014/03/some-sceptical-questions/#Q11
I have been extremely tolerant of your obnoxious behavior, and you are on your last warning.
Why do they hate polly bears? Thicker ice means fewer seals for our little white friends.
SW has a blog that is anti Goddard. Quite the fixation going on there.
I’m merely anti-anti-science Brad. It’s nothing personal!
In fact to the unbiased observer I’m sure it’s far more anti-Mail than anti-Goddard:
http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2014/03/new-mail-for-the-mail/
You’re so anti-anti-science that you support a theory based entirely on models that have all failed. No prediction by global warming fanatics has come true. Every year disaster is predicted yet never comes to pass. This has been going on for almost 40 years now.
Are you a mind reader darwin? If so you’re not very good at it.
In fact I’m simply endeavouring to establish “the facts”. With the proverbial “Open Mind” of course!
Ah, that explains the fantasy character name.
Quite fitting for a believer in computer-generated fantasy models.
“In fact I’m simply endeavouring to establish “the facts”. With the proverbial “Open Mind” of course!”
Yep, your’re the Vyshinsky of Climate Change.
Goddard has caught the attention of the $$ Libs. SW is a pawn.
+1
Then establish why nothing predicted by global warming “theory” has come true.
Are you a physicist then? Have you disproved this “law of nature” recently?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan%E2%80%93Boltzmann_law
If so please show me your equations.
That doesn’t answer my comment.
Yes it does, partially at least. Click the link and read section 2.3
If that doesn’t satisfy you, you could always turn to Skeptical Science!
http://www.SkepticalScience.com/basics_one.html
Jim, you seem like a nice enough sort. Just a little over worried about a problem that doesn’t exist. Your concerns about global financial problems are more realistic.
It won’t matter if the arctic ice completely melted in late summer. It would be right back 3 months later, and the weather patterns we’ve seen over the last ~7 years show there will be no identifiable consequence. Maybe increased shipping in August.
But carbon credits are just another fiat currency. The purveyors of climate doom are more about financial scammery than they are about environmental stewardship.
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/042810-531731-the-10-trillion-climate-fraud.htm?ntt=10%20trillion
That is for sure!
Note that World Bank employee Robert Watson was Chair of the IPCC. The World Bank along with the UN has been in on the con-game from the beginning.
SO WHAT IS IN IT FOR THE BANKERS?
The ‘Industry’ is robbing the poor and giving to the rich. This is a fraud that produces nothing but poverty. It does not produce a single penny of wealth and instead acts as a short circuit across the advancement and wealth of an entire civilization. The deaths of 50,000 pensioners in the UK from fuel poverty is the direct result of this ‘Industry’
2012 World Bank Report Forward:
While the World Bank is promoting the above hysteria to the USA, EU and the rest of the western world, it is simultaneously taking EU and US tax money and funding the building of new COAL PLANTS in India and China! – – co2scorecard(DOT)org/Content/uploads/WB_Exhibit_1.jpg
So Coal is not dying in the USA or Australia it is just getting shipped (along with our jobs) to India and China. – -(wwwDOT)washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/post/us-coal-use-is-falling-but-what-if-the-coal-gets-shipped-abroad/2012/01/30/gIQAV9DoeQ_blog.html
International Bankers have a big money stake in CAGW (as do corporations.) Do not forget they are the ones who LEND countries and corporations fiat, created on the spot, money for all those “Green Projects” and the taxpayer pay interest on that funny money with their LABOR. I suggest you read The Broken Window Fallacy by Frederic Bastiat because Windmills and Solar Panels are just a nationwide broken window racket. As well as
Without some knowledge of Fractional Reserve Banking practices, Central banks, the World Bank/IMF Structural Adjustment Programs and gold it is tough to see what the actual game plan is.
Fractional Reserve Banking
Fractional reserve banking means Joe Sixpack and Suzy Schoolteacher put $1500 each into the bank for a $3,000 total deposit. With todays three percent reserve requirement that means the bank can produce a $100,000 mortgage by making up the other $97,000 using an accounting entry. Today 97% of the US money supply is bank loans only 3% is actual cash. SEE: A PRIMER ON MONEY: by US House Committee on Banking and Currency – – usa-the-republic(DOT)com/banks/Patman_Primer_on_Money.pdf
Congress does the same thing only when they borrow from the Federal Reserve the entire million is an accounting entry and fiat money is created on the spot. Fiat currency in conjunction with fractional reserve lending allows politicians to buy votes and pay off campaign contributors with the Federal Reserve loans. Tax payers get the double whammy of having to pay interest on hot air AND see their wages dwindle because of inflation. Politicians do not even have to raise taxes if there is a graduated income tax. As the wage for the same work goes from $6,000/yr ===> $60,000/yr the tax rate is automatically raised.
A second mechanism is also in place. The selling off of gold. Tony Blair sold off the UK’s gold at rock bottom prices and then later went to work for J P Morgan Chase. The USA’s gold was sold off long ago to bankers but no one outside the Fed knows just what happened and STILL there has been no audit. China on the other hand, being one smart cookie, is grabbing gold as fast as she can. The short and sweet of it is to destroy the dollar as the world reserve currency. Russia and South Africa are also stockpiling gold.
What happens if the US dollar loses world reserve currency status? The creation of a “Global Currency” run by the bankers and possible Hyperinflation within the USA leading to “Currency revulsion” by US citizens and the acceptance of a different currency as happens in any country with run away inflation. Right now the USA has a very bad trade balance thanks to the ratification of the World Trade Organization as well as around a 24% unemployment rate.
So why the heck would bankers want to push the EU and the USA into bankruptcy by supporting idiotic carbon legislation?? ~ Structural Adjustment Programs (SAPs). With a Structural Adjustment Program the Bankers dictate how a country will be run.
SEE: (wwwDOT)whirledbank.org/development/sap.html
It puts THEM not the voters in charge and bring us another step closer to the ultimate goal of “Gobal Governance”
That is the ONLY reason I can think of for the collusion between Bankers and International Corporations who are actually running this Hoax. They want to get rid of inconvenient National borders, National laws, Sovereignty and the constant bribing of politicians. They want to be completely in charge with out the illusion of democracy except at the local level as a means of keeping the ignorant masses happy.
We can see what is wanted just by looking at the EU. Just ask World Trade Organization Director-General Pascal Lamy: theglobaljournal(DOT)net/article/view/56/ and onlinelibrary(DOT)wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1758-5899.2010.00047.x/full
I have a lot more references on the BRICS countries, world reserve currency and gold. The maneuvering going on in that area is a lot more worrying than the CAGW boogymann
WordPress will kick my comment into a snow bank if I have more than two live references so just add H*T*T*P:// and convert (DOT) to a (.)
Thanks Gail. Great stuff.
You may not have noticed, but there is certainly currently “a problem” over on this side of “the pond”.
http://www.climate.gov/news-features/featured-images/winter-2013-14-already-tops-2012-13-number-hurricane-force-storms
“43 unique hurricane-force events have blasted their way across the North Atlantic. Thirty of them underwent rapid intensification”
‘Unique hurricane force events’. 😆
The alarmist way is to make predictions, observe that they didn’t come true, then declare whatever happened as being “consistent with AGW”, and/or declare that their predictions actually did come true, even though they didn’t.
Ironic that these morons should attempt to use the “D” label.
And then they call us ‘anti-science’ and ‘deniers’, for pointing out their obvious fraud and bias.
@ Gail Combs I think you described George Soros to a Tee.
Such a pleasant afternoon of Snow White banalities, diversions, drive by’s and general childish gibberish. Probably not smart enough to start his own blog because that would take some skill so SW scampers around the interweb defecating anywhere SW deems available.
Two questions for Snow White. Do you plan someday to use you other brain cell and what happened to your face?
Scampering around defecating…….that could be a bunny wabbit; Eli Rabbet to be precise. He’s a dirty rabbet that doesn’t pick up his droppings.
Climate Alarmists in Denmark say they can see NE Greenland melting faster than anyone else can. I’m always amazed how climate kook alarmists try to continuously outdo one another with prophecies of Armageddon. It is almost identical behaviour to the scores of religions that prophesy EOTW scenarios.
http://www.livescience.com/44129-northeast-greenland-ice-sheet-melting.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Livesciencecom+%28LiveScience.com+Science+Headline+Feed%29
Snow White, aka Jim Hunt, is acting the fool to drive up the visits on his site–great white con.
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,230.0/prev_next,next.html#new
It’s a shame that his beloved PIOMAS omits the areas of substantial above-average ice growth and volume evident this year–St Lawrence seaway and the Great Lakes. Note that the low Latitude for this ice has it reflecting 10 times the sun insolation at this time of year than the missing Barents Ice. It seems to be lowballing the thickness of the MYI in Beaufort as well because it doesn’t show the MYI region consistent with all the other sources.
Of note is the PIOMAS estimated spike in ice volume with thicknesses above 2.5 m for 2014, including an increase in the ice above 4 m for the first time in many years. More multiyear ice. More thick ice. That’s how recoveries start–next year will be particularly interesting.
Those storms in the north Atlantic all removed heat from the ocean and transferred it to high altitude to radiate into space at the top of the atmosphere. Therefore, higher storm count means greater heat loss from the ocean and thus relatively less heat to melt ice in the arctic going forward. Could this be a significant factor in the long term cycle for the temperature in the North Atlantic?
Don’t be too quick to wave about the area and extent for 2014. The values aren’t at maximum yet and the ARC predicted temperature and wind patterns suggest that increases are still coming in Barents, Bering and Okhotski.
Oh, by the way, Jim is infamous for his blog post claiming that all ice was going to be gone in the summer of 2013.
Which “infamous blog post” would that be?
Same church, wrong pew. I always get you and Paul Beckwith confused.
How’s that 2014 peak area call working for you?
Paul Beckwith looks nothing like a beautiful fairy tale princess!
Strictly speaking it was “a trifle premature 2014 melting season” call. Here’s how things have worked out so far: https://twitter.com/GreatWhiteCon/statuses/446046445607473152
You’ve gone very quiet Crahex! What connection have the Great Lakes got to the Arctic?
They are in the same Global environment. Both involve the reflection of the sun’s insolation back into space off ice formed on the water’s surface. That influences the net heat retained in the water and atmosphere. Note, the term Global in AGW.
Also, the Great Lakes feed the St Lawrence that flows to the Atlantic. The Canadian east coast is likely to be a bit colder a bit longer than usual thus year. With all those reflected BTU’s and all that ice, the region will have a significantly different spring than last year. And the above-average ice on the coast is a marked change from recent years as well.
It’s funny how you only think ice in a particular spot is important.
Note, the term Global in AGW. It’s funny how you only think temperature in a particular spot is important.
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/summaries – February 2014 was a mild month with the UK mean temperature 5.2 °C, which is 1.5 °C above the 1981-2010 long-term average, and the number of air frosts among the lowest in the last 50 years.
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php
So now the reflected insolation on the winter’s ice in the northern hemisphere is dependent on a warm, wet February in the UK?
How much additional heat was carried to the top of the atmosphere by convection and radiated to space to give the UK that extra precipitation? Vaporization and condensation means a lot of extra BTU’s transferred to TOA.
Crahex.
I don’t know if Snow White is Jim Hunt but his “voice” does not sound like a person who was born female.