Toronto has warmed less than one degree since 1850, and the city paid lots of money to experts to find out that temperatures will rise 4.4ºC by the year 2040.
That could happen, and monkeys could fly out of Bloomberg’s ass.
Average annual temperatures increase by 4.4ºC
www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2013/pe/bgrd/backgroundfile-55151.pdf
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That warming trend is based on adjusted/corrected data right?
Whatever CRUTEM4 is. I don’t know what kind of processing Phil Jones does to it.
Sometimes you grab the raw data but since you didn’t mention this and mentioned CRMTEM4 I thought I’d ask just in case…
So in other words, conservatively subtract another 20-30% from that temperature trend to get something that might be realistic to actual temps. 😉
I find it interesting that people think a warmer Toronto could be a bad thing. That’s like saying the Phoenix summer isn’t warm enough.
And the other thing that strikes me about a 4.4C degree rise in average temperature… If the winter there warms up 8C, it’s still below freezing much of the winter, fall and spring there. People automatically assume that global warming means the Phoenix summer is now regulary in the 130s/140s vs the Toronto winter going from below freezing to still below freezing.
Yes it gets hot here in Phoenix but we can take it – we’re desert rats! It hasn’t been getting substantively hotter here though as far as trending hotter.
I know there are so-called records being broken (blah, blah, blah) but the UHI in summer here is phenomenal and I regularly measure it. I bet the same is true for “cold” cities like Toronto – just the foul weather stops people from jumping in their cars and measuring it as much.
The UHI is very pronounced in Toronto too. Every day, when I listen to the weather forecast on the radio, the temperature is always given for both downtown Toronto and Pearson Airport (which is actually in Mississauga, a suburb of Toronto). In the winter time, the downtown Toronto temperature is usually at least 2 degrees Celsius (3.6F) higher than at the airport, which is subject to heat from the tarmac anyway!
The Maple Leafs might have been looking for a hockey stick. You found one!
The Maple Leafs won tonight:
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/scores/boxscore/?id=17073
Are they planning the parade route yet? 🙂
@Lance: Another win or two and they will be!
“Experts” and “scientists” are at it again. Yeah, just like the sea isn’t going to rise 4 meters, Toronto’s not going to be 4°c hotter. No way no how. It’s essentially going to be the same temperature, or colder. People aren’t going to notice any difference, just like we don’t notice any difference at all in the sea level decades after a host of apocalyptic predictions on sea level.
How have some of the past predictions of these “expert scientists” fared?
“[in twenty years {2008} ] the West Side Highway [and thus most of Manhattan] will be under water… And there will be tape across the windows across the street because of [constant] high winds.” -James Hansen (1988), NASA
“In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish.” -Paul Ehrlich, Earth Day 1970
“This cooling has already killed hundreds of thousands of people. If.. no strong [de-industrialization] action is taken, it will cause world famine, world chaos and world war, and this could all come about before the year 2000.” -Lowell Ponte in “The Cooling,” 1976
“I believe it is appropriate to have an ‘over-representation’ of the facts.” -algor
“We have to offer up [fabricated] scary scenarios… each of us has to decide the right balance between being effective [lying] and being honest [ineffective].” -Stephen Schneider, lead ipcc author, 1989
I got a good laugh out of this one, particularly since I have lived all of my almost 40 years within a 1 hour drive (or less) of Toronto. Incidently, there hasn’t been a monthly record high temperature broken in Toronto in over 30 years (the last one was in December of 1982):
http://www.theweathernetwork.com/statistics/CL6158350/caon0696
Good one…and really, would it be a big problem if it warmed up just a bit in Toronto?
Last winter in Toronto was very mild. This winter has been all over the place, though still on the mild side and not much snow. I don’t hear too many people complaining about it … I’m certainly not! 😉
The grifters and believers understand the Eco Greenies have stampeeded the herd, their fear mongering fuels fear and hysteria and they have moved in to catch the money being shovelled off the government truck.
We have a whole crew of Eco-dogooders living at Vancouver city hall, bowing at the feet of our Glorius Leader, Mayor Moonbeam, lamenting on and on and on about massive sea level increases that will drown the city in 40 years. They are discussing spending huge sums of tax dollars, like building huge flood gates to protect False Creek . . .
They have all kinds of “consultants” reports about what might happen but they seem to have forgotten to look at the actual data.
http://www.psmsl.org/data/obtaining/stations/175.php
So sad, so much public money wasted paying homage to Greenie Hobgoblins. Think of all the public housing that money could procure, the roads that could be repaired, the public transit that could be funded.
http://www.psmsl.org/data/obtaining/stations/78.php
Shock News: Sea levels around Stockholm have fallen 0.5 metres since 1900. Climate Experts are looking for the missing sea water!!
http://www.psmsl.org/data/obtaining/stations/14.php
Shock News: Finns poking out of the water. Climate Experts have lost 30 cm of sea level from Helsinki over past century as well!!!
http://www.psmsl.org/data/obtaining/stations/1195.php
Latest Headline: South Africa denies taking Scandinavian Sea Water. Their proof being flat Sea Levels for 45 years.
Meanwhile, Arctic ice growth shatters old record: http://iceagenow.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Arctic_Ice_Growth31Jan13.jpg
Hey, that is my graph LOL
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Real Science
Yes, and guess who tipped iceagenow off? http://iceagenow.info/2013/01/tsunami-governmental-global-warming-lies/#comment-95631
As reality trumps models, the alarmists respond by making more and more outrageous predictions.
I can’t believe anyone thinks they can predict the weather for a few square kms in 30 years. What a bunch of dribble. All based on the “most precise” models available. I only wish Manitoba’s temp would go up- -35C tonight